Until it’s reached actually growth as a fetus, it’s moral value is none
Alright, so you just said that human embryos that can turn into whole persons have the same moral worth as a clod of cow dung. You don't even think it has the moral worth of a bird, or something – dung. What a horrible, inhuman thing to say.
the embryo is quite literally a clump of cells
So are we! Do you realise how stupid that argument is? Every living thing on the face of this EARTH is a "clump of cells"! YOU AND ME ARE CLUMPS OF CELLS! There might be more cells in you and me than in an unborn child, and we may look different, but that doesn't matter! We are clumps of cells! So saying that it's fine to perform abortion or experiment on unborn children in test tubes like they're lab rats, because they're "clumps of cells" is an absurdly stupid argument. Clearly, rather than getting that from thinking for yourself, Slate, or CNN, or the Guardian, or your college professor, or some outside influencer of you, planted that notion in your head – because if you thought critically about it for ten seconds, all this would be immediately obvious.
experimentation on it will very likely alter the DNA away from the unique combination it had before while contributing vastly to science as a whole.
Who cares? Just because the DNA is different, doesn't make the embryo any less worthy!
I see no moral value in the tiniest clump of embryonic cells that will not ever reach the fetal stage.
Then open your eyes. Lives like human embryos, that could to some have morally ambiguous values, must, ethically be assumed to have the maximum possible value, and treated as such, because you do not know and cannot say how much value it has rationally, unless, of course, you're a Christian (which clearly you aren't.)
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Well no, I don’t think it’s worth dung, i think it’s worth the same as any other animal embryo, because both when grown in labs have 0 chances of becoming humans on their own. The labs for artificial pregnancy and the labs for experimentation have different purposes, and therefore the embryos inside have different worth because one will possibly become human, the other will not. I am referring to the lab grown ones for experimentation, which are not allowed to grow past 14 days in the first place, which would still be extremely small and lack even the most basic of nerves.… Read more
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If you can concede that it has some moral value at all, and that the lines appear to you to be very blurry, why will you not do the ethical thing and assign maximum possible moral value to it just in case it has the moral value of a human? Is that really a risk you want to run – facilitating a practice that could well be just as abominable as murder – after all, you haven't a clue what the moral value precisely should be, and why?
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I conceded a specific moral value: the exact same worth as an embryo of any other animal or being. It’s got worth, but it’s death is more of a sad thing that’s undesirable, but doesn’t gain the protections of human rights or anywhere near it.I also didn’t say the lines were blurry, I said the issue wasn’t a binary one and that it’s based upon situation. If the intent is for that embryo to become a child later, preservation remains a priority, but if it has to happen, termination is okay. For lab brown embryos that aren’t meant to become a fetus,… Read more
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There is a massive body of scientific evidence that proves that life begins at the point of conception and that human embryos are in fact human beings – they are just much smaller, and look much different, than us. The Alabama Supreme Court ruling that was just conducted removes this moral dilemma by stopping people from using embryos as lab rats for their scientific experiments and research so they can stay in their mother's womb AND BECOME fully-functioning humans beings. And why would a HUMAN embryo have equal value to an ANIMAL embryo – do you not believe that humans are more important than animals?
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And at no point did I disagree with that, however a fully grown human being has a different moral value than a fully grown one. For an embryo, it is a lot less because, to begin with, it will not grow to become a full human, and is incapable of feeling anything at all, much less pain. It has the same value as an animal embryo in my eyes because both will not become human when done in the lab setting, since that was neither the intention, nor the worry at all, and since the embryo won’t feel or think at all, it’s not going to have the same value as a full-grown human.
